Governing a large state is like cooking a small fish. When all under Heaven is ruled by means of the Way, its ghosts do not display divine power; it is not that its ghosts do not display divine power, but that the gods do not harm people; it is not that the gods do not harm people, but that the Sage-Ruler also does not harm people. When the two do not harm each other, and so their powers converge and return together.

Source

治大國若烹小鮮。以道蒞天下,其鬼不神;非其鬼不神,其神不傷人;非其神不傷人,聖人亦不傷人。夫兩不相傷,故德交歸焉。

Glossary

below
not
mutually
harm
virtue
return
divine power (verb context)
ghost
交歸
converge and return together
大國
large state
天下
all under Heaven
小鮮
small fish

Translation Notes

  1. "When All Under Heaven is ruled by means of the Way" (以道蒞天下) — Alternatives considered: When the Way presides over All Under Heaven · When All Under Heaven is governed by the Way · When the Way oversees the world · Chose present rendering because “Ruled by means of” cleanly expresses both the governance action implied by 蒞 and the instrumental role of 道. “All Under Heaven” is preferred over “world” to maintain early Chinese political diction.
  2. "its ghosts do not display divine power; it is not that its ghosts do not display divine power, but that the gods do not harm people" (其鬼不神;非其鬼不神,其神不傷人) — Alternatives considered: its ghosts are not divine; it is not merely that the ghosts are not divine, but that the divine power does not harm · its ghosts do not act supernaturally; not that they do not act supernaturally, but that the gods do not injure people · Chose present rendering because The chosen wording keeps the syntactic ladder legible in English while maintaining the passage’s insistence that the decisive point is non-injury (不傷人), not denial of spiritual status.
  3. "the Sage-Ruler also does not harm people" (聖人亦不傷人) — Alternatives considered: the Sage does not harm people either · the holy one also does not harm people · Chose present rendering because “Sage-Ruler” avoids reducing 聖人 to a purely ethical or mystical figure, which would underplay the governance modeling at work in this passage.
  4. "When the two do not harm each other, and so their powers converge and return together" (夫兩不相傷,故德交歸焉) — Alternatives considered: and so their virtue mutually returns · and so their 德 converges and reverts · and so their efficacy converges and returns · Chose present rendering because “Powers” best reflects 德 as operative efficacy in Laozi political contexts, and “converge and return together” preserves the tight, aphoristic cadence of the final clause without turning the sentence discursive.

Footnotes

  1. "Governing a large state is like cooking a small fish" (治大國若烹小鮮) — The simile 治大國若烹小鮮 (“governing a large state as if cooking a small fish”) is one of the most frequently cited Laozi maxims. The point is not culinary instruction but a metaphor of proportional handling: what is “small” in delicacy must not be overprocessed. Early commentarial tradition tends to read the comparison as a warning against overelaborate governance, stressing that excessive manipulation damages what should be preserved. Du Yu 杜預, though better known for Zuozhuan exegesis, represents a broad Han-to-imperial tendency to interpret parallels of the Laozi as doctrine of restraint; for Daoist-style governing-by-minimal-interference read alongside the simile, see later Laozi commentary traditions that treat “cooking” as a figure for delicate administration (e.g., Wang Bi 王弼’s general approach to Laozi aphorisms). Yang Bojun 楊伯峻 glosses the political sense of such lines as governing with light touch, i.e., not injuring what one is charged to order. (Textual variants: some manuscript and received editions show minor graph substitutions in the chapter, but the proverb-like opening is stable; compare standard transmitted Laozi chapter 60 across editions used by Yang Bojun.)
  2. "When All Under Heaven is ruled by means of the Way" (天下、以道蒞天下) — All Under Heaven 天下 is a conventional phrase for the ordered geopolitical-spatial domain conceived as under a ruler’s (or the Son of Heaven’s) purview; it presupposes a cosmological horizon in which “Heaven” 天 provides normative ordering. Du Yu and Kong Yingda, although focused on different received corpora, both illustrate—through their larger exegetical practice of reading classical political terminology in cosmological terms—that 天下 language typically denotes the realm requiring correct ordering, not merely geographical coverage. In translating 道 here, the project’s established convention renders 道 as “the Way” (with capitalization). 蒞 is used in the political-ritual register meaning to preside over/oversee in authority (not merely to “arrive”); thus “ruled by means of the Way” preserves the sense that governance is effected through alignment with 道 rather than through coercive mechanisms.
  3. "its ghosts do not display divine power" (其鬼不神) — The clause 其鬼不神 is syntactically compressed and semantically multi-layered. 神 can function as a stative/verb-like predicate (“to be divine,” “to act with divine power,” i.e., to manifest numinous efficacy). Accordingly, this line is not a philosophical denial of the existence of ghosts (鬼), but a claim that under proper governance by the Way, the numinous force of ghosts does not become harmful to people. In other words, ghosts remain “ghosts,” but their operation lacks injurious effect. Yang Bojun treats 不神 here as “not to be numinous / not to act supernaturally in a harmful way.” Kong Yingda, in his broader exegetical method for pre-Qin texts, often reads 神 in such contexts in terms of efficacy/operation rather than metaphysical substance, supporting this functional reading. (Textual variants: some editions may punctuate differently, affecting whether 其 is read as possessive or topical; the meaning remains functionally that the ghosts’ numinous efficacy does not harm.)
  4. "it is not that its ghosts do not display divine power, but that the gods do not harm people" (非其鬼不神,其神不傷人) — The passage builds through a laddered negation 非…不…, and then escalates the interpretive target from the ghosts’ numinous efficacy (神) to the effect on human life—namely that the spiritual power does not 傷 harm people. Two points require careful translation. First, 神 in this expanded step refers to divine/spiritual power understood as operative “gods” or “numinous beings” in a functional sense, hence the translation choice “the gods.” Second, 非其鬼不神 is not merely a restatement; it corrects and refines: it is not only that the ghosts fail to be “divine/powerful,” but that the gods’ power specifically fails to injure humans. Du Yu’s general approach to interpreting “not merely X but rather Y” constructions in classical texts supports taking the structure as corrective progression rather than simple negation. (Textual variants: punctuation and comma placement in transmitted editions sometimes alter where the reader pauses within the 非… but do not change the laddered logic.)
  5. "the Sage-Ruler also does not harm people" (聖人) — 聖人 in this Daoist political context refers not to a private ascetic but to the ideal Sage-Ruler, i.e., the exemplary ruler whose administration embodies the Way. The clause 其神不傷人,聖人亦不傷人 thus parallels “spiritual efficacy” and “human governance” under the same non-injuring principle. Kong Yingda’s exegetical practice for pre-Qin political language (especially in how it treats terms for sagely rulers as operative models of rule) provides support for reading 聖人 as a rulerly subject rather than a purely ethical abstraction. Yang Bojun similarly renders 聖人 in Laozi as the ruler who governs without injuring. Consistency with the project’s terminology (rendering 聖人 as “Sage-Ruler” throughout) is therefore philologically motivated.
  6. "When the two do not harm each other" (兩、不相傷) — 兩 in 夫兩不相傷 refers to “the two parties” articulated in the prior ladder: the spirits/gods (as governed numinous powers) and the Sage-Ruler (as the governing human agent). Interpreters sometimes debate whether 兩 should be understood more broadly as spirits vs. people, or as mutually non-injuring efficacies. Yang Bojun takes 兩 to designate the two agents whose interaction is regulated: spiritual power and the ruler’s rule. Du Yu’s general interpretive method for antecedent tracing in classical aphorisms supports anchoring 兩 to the nearest substantive pair in the preceding clauses. In any case, the crucial point is reciprocity: each “side” refrains from harm, yielding stability in both unseen and seen domains.
  7. "and so their powers converge and return together" (德交歸焉) — 德 in Laozi, especially in political passages, denotes not only personal morality but efficacious “potency” generated by alignment with the Way; it is the power that makes rule beneficial rather than coercive. 交 conveys mutuality/interpenetration, and 歸 suggests returning/reverting to an origin or gathering-back to a point of coherence; the compound 交歸 is thus highly compressed. The clause 故德交歸焉 states that once mutual non-harm is established, the virtue/potency (德) of the relevant parties converges and returns, producing a harmonious closure. The translation “converge and return together” aims to preserve the two verbs’ semantic pairing and the inclusive adverbial force implied by 焉. Yang Bojun glosses the phrase in terms of the harmonious convergence of 德 and its return to a settled order. Some editions/commentators treat 歸 as “belonging to/returning to” the people or to the realm of the Way; punctuation differences can slightly affect emphasis, but the core sense of convergence-return remains stable in the received tradition.

Glossary References

the Way · Core Laozi concept: alignment with the cosmic/normative Way that enables non-coercive governance (here: 道蒞天下). Appears in this chunk as the governing instrument.
天下
All Under Heaven · Classical political-cosmological term for the ordered realm “under Heaven,” often aligned with ideas of central rulership and Heaven-provided normative order.
聖人
Sage-Ruler · Ideal ruler/exemplar in classical Daoist political discourse; not merely a private sage but the model of governing without injuring (亦不傷人).
virtue/power (potency) · In Laozi, 德 often indicates efficacious potency generated by alignment with the Way; in this chunk it is the “powers” (德) that 交歸 when the two sides do not harm each other.
鬼 / 神
ghosts / gods (divine power) · Paired terms in early Chinese religious-ontological imagination. In this passage 鬼 is paired with 神, where 神 is first used as a predicate-like notion of numinous efficacy (不神) and then as divine power/gods (其神). ---

Context

This passage is from chapter 60 of the Laozi (Daodejing), a foundational Warring States text of early Chinese philosophy, generally associated with the 4th to 3rd centuries BCE though layered in composition. The chapter reflects classical Daoist political thought: the ideal ruler governs lightly, without coercive overreach, so that both human society and the unseen realm remain calm. The line about governing a large state as one cooks a small fish became especially influential in later political discourse as a formula for minimal interference in administration.

The passage assumes a world in which ghosts, spirits, ritual power, and political order were understood as interconnected. In early China, disorder in government was often thought to provoke disturbances among both people and spirits, while proper alignment with the Way harmonized the cosmos. "鬼" and "神" here draw on common distinctions between ghosts and numinous powers or spirit efficacy, but the point is less demonological precision than the taming of uncanny forces under good rule. The figure of the 聖人 should be understood not as a private mystic but as the ideal Sage-Ruler of classical political philosophy: one whose nonassertive governance prevents harm rather than displaying miraculous authority.

Themes

  1. Nonintrusive governance The opening simile presents ruling a great state as an exercise in restraint, delicacy, and avoidance of excessive meddling. Political success comes from not overhandling what is governed.
  2. Rule through the Way The passage links effective government to ruling by the Way rather than by force, punishment, or manipulation. Alignment with the Way pacifies both the human and spiritual realms.
  3. Mutual non-harm A central idea is that under proper order neither spirits harm people nor the Sage-Ruler harms people. Political and cosmic well-being are framed as reciprocal harmlessness.
  4. Convergence of virtue or power The closing sentence depicts a state in which the efficacy of both parties converges and returns together. The result is not conflict between competing powers but their harmonious co-presence.

Idioms

  1. 治大國若烹小鮮 One of the best-known maxims of the Laozi. Literally, governing a large state is like cooking a small fish: one must not overhandle it. It has long been cited as a concise statement of Daoist political restraint.
  2. 以道蒞天下 A compact expression of governing All Under Heaven by means of the Way. The phrase is important for political philosophy and should use the established project terminology "the Way" for 道, not "the Dao," unless broader project context requires otherwise.
  3. 夫兩不相傷 Literally, "when the two do not harm one another." The phrase refers to the paired agents just discussed, usually understood as numinous powers and the Sage-Ruler, or more broadly the spiritual and human-political domains. Its compactness is philosophically significant and should not be overexpanded in the main text.
  4. 德交歸焉 A famously compressed phrase. 德 may mean virtue, potency, efficacy, or power; 交 conveys meeting, interpenetration, or convergence; 歸焉 suggests returning thereto/together. The line points to a mutual convergence of efficacies under harmonious rule.

Literary Devices

  1. Extended simile The first sentence uses a domestic culinary comparison to illuminate statecraft. The disproportion between "large state" and "small fish" sharpens the paradox: the larger the charge, the gentler the handling required.
  2. Anaphoric and laddered repetition The sequence 非其鬼不神,其神不傷人;非其神不傷人,聖人亦不傷人 builds by repeating and reformulating prior clauses. This creates a logical ladder from the status of ghosts to spirits to the Sage-Ruler.
  3. Parataxis The argument is presented through short, juxtaposed clauses with minimal explicit subordination. English translation must decide how much connective language to supply without flattening the aphoristic force.
  4. Deliberate ambiguity Terms such as 鬼, 神, 德, and 歸焉 carry overlapping semantic fields. The text gains philosophical resonance from this multivalence, so translation should preserve some openness rather than overdefining every term.
  5. Concluding synthesis The final line gathers the previous observations into a compact conclusion. Its rhetorical force depends on brevity and a sense of resolution, so the English should sound final and balanced.

Translation Challenges

  1. 治大國若烹小鮮 — The simile is culturally vivid but terse. The translator must decide whether to render 小鮮 literally as "small fish" or more interpretively as "a delicate fish." The force of 若 is analogical and aphoristic; overexplaining the comparison in the main translation weakens the epigrammatic style.
  2. 以道蒞天下 — Project terminology matters here: 道 should be rendered as "the Way" for consistency, unless prior chunks explicitly establish another convention. 蒞 can mean oversee, rule, preside over, or approach in authority. The translator must choose an English verb that conveys governance without sounding bureaucratic or too modern. 天下 is best rendered as "All Under Heaven" when preserving classical political register, though "the world" is possible in looser idiom.
  3. 其鬼不神 — This clause is notoriously compressed. It can mean the ghosts are not numinously potent, do not act mysteriously, or do not display harmful spiritual efficacy. The pronoun 其 may be possessive or topic-marking; one must avoid implying a too-specific antecedent not warranted by the Chinese. A translation should preserve that the point is not denial of spirits' existence but their harmless quiescence under good rule.
  4. 非其鬼不神,其神不傷人;非其神不傷人,聖人亦不傷人 — The repeated 非... structure is not simple negation but corrective progression: not merely that the ghosts lack power, but that their power does not injure people; and likewise the Sage-Ruler does not injure people. 神 in the second and third clauses may refer to spiritual efficacy rather than a separate class of beings. The translator must decide whether to vary or stabilize the wording. 聖人 should be rendered consistently as "Sage-Ruler" per established terminology, not "Sage" alone in the body of the translation.
  5. 夫兩不相傷,故德交歸焉 — 兩 refers to the two parties in the preceding discussion, but interpreters differ on whether these are ghosts and Sage-Ruler, spirits and people, or numinous and human authorities more generally. 德 can mean virtue, power, potency, or efficacious influence. No single English equivalent captures all connotations. 交歸焉 is highly compressed and can sound awkward if translated too literally. The reviewer-approved smoothing "and so their powers converge and return together" captures the sense while preserving the compact conclusion. The final cadence should remain aphoristic and balanced rather than analytical or discursive.

Technical Terms

  1. (Taoist theology/philosophy): The cosmic principle of natural order; ultimate reality in Taoism. - Translation: Consistent translation required as 'the Way' with capitalization per this project's guidelines. Avoid 'Tao' unless otherwise instructed.
  2. 聖人 (Political philosophy/Governance modeling): Sacred ruler embodying wisdom and virtue; governs through non-action (wu wei). - Translation: Project terminology specifies 'Sage-Ruler', avoiding parenthetical clarifications in text. Placeholder explanation can be provided in footnotes if necessary.
  3. (Taoist philosophy): Inherent efficacy/potency arising from alignment with the Way; different from Confucian moral virtue. - Translation: Render as 'virtue' with implied Taoist nuance of 'potency' or 'life-enhancing power'. Capitalization optional but contextually inform using lowercase.
  4. (Ancestral worship beliefs/phenomenology): The supernatural entities responsible for calamity in popular religion; rendered non-threatening under the Way. - Translation: Translate plainly as 'ghosts' unless cultural adjustment is required; no capitalization.
  5. (Pre-Qin folk religion/Taoist cosmology): The divine force or numinous power that ghosts lose; later manifest concretely as benign gods. - Translation: Translation hinges on syntactic role: in '其鬼不神', render as verb 'display supernatural power'; in '其神', translate as noun 'gods'.
  6. (Ethics/Harm concept in Chinese philosophy): Physical/emotional injury; obstacle to social harmony. - Translation: Translate as 'harm' or 'injure'. Critically negated three times in passage.

Ambiguous Terms

  1. — 95% confidence - Possible meanings: `divine power (noun)` · `to act with divine power (verb)` · `gods (noun)` - Resolution: In ‘其鬼不神’, 神 functions as a verb meaning ‘to be/act as divine, to display supernatural power’. In ‘其神不傷人’, it is a noun meaning ‘gods’.
  2. 交歸 — 85% confidence - Possible meanings: `converge and return` · `mutually return` · `return together` - Resolution: Refers to virtue converging and returning to the realm when harmful forces are neutralized. The term implies a mutual flow and accumulation of beneficial power.

Glossing Notes

This passage from Laozi Chapter 60 illustrates governing a large state by minimal interference, comparing it to cooking small fish without overhandling. When the ruler governs with the Way, harmful supernatural forces in the form of ghosts and spirits become benign, and the Sage-Ruler also refrains from harming the people. The refrain "does not harm" culminates in the convergence of virtue (dé). Translation must preserve the parallelism and wordplay around 神 (as both 'divine power' and 'gods') while ensuring 'the Way' and 'Sage-Ruler' adhere to project terminology. The final phrase should follow the reviewer's suggestion for smoothness: "and so their powers converge and return together".

Translation Principles

  1. Use established project terminology consistently: render 道 as "the Way" and 聖人 as "Sage-Ruler" in the main text.
  2. Preserve the aphoristic compactness of the chapter. Supply only the minimum connective wording needed for clear English syntax.
  3. Maintain the logical ladder of the repeated clauses, so that each step intensifies or clarifies the previous one rather than sounding redundant.
  4. Treat 鬼 and 神 carefully: the passage does not simply deny spirits, but says their numinous efficacy does not harm people under rule by the Way.
  5. Keep the opening simile literal enough to preserve its memorability: "Governing a large state is like cooking a small fish" or equivalent.
  6. In the final sentence, prefer smooth but restrained English that preserves the compact synthesis; the reviewed phrasing "and so their powers converge and return together" is a strong guide for 德交歸焉.

Segmentation

  1. 治大國若烹小鮮。 `sentence`
  2. 以道蒞天下,其鬼不神; `clause`
  3. 非其鬼不神,其神不傷人; `clause` `ambiguous`
  4. 非其神不傷人,聖人亦不傷人。 `sentence`
  5. 夫兩不相傷,故德交歸焉。 `sentence`

Segmentation Notes

Segmentation is guided by clear predicate completions and strong logical connectors: 若 (simile), 以 (means), 非 (conditional/denial-transfer in parallel chains), 亦 (parallel inclusion), and 故/夫/焉 (result and concluding justification). The segment beginning with 非其鬼不神 is flagged as slightly ambiguous because 非 can be parsed either as strict conditional ('if not... then') or as a rhetorical implicational negation; however, the parallelism with the subsequent 非其神不傷人 clause supports the conditional/implicational reading.

Tone & Style

Calm, authoritative, and aphoristic throughout. The opening is gnomic and imagistic; the middle develops an almost incantatory logical sequence; the ending is concise and harmonizing, resolving the argument in a tone of quiet assurance.

Classic Laozi prose: compressed, paradox-friendly, rhythmically balanced, and semantically layered. The register is elevated but spare, relying on parataxis, repetition, and suggestive ambiguity rather than explicit exposition.

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Terminology

the Way
聖人
Sage-Ruler
Virtue
ghosts
divine power / gods
交歸
converge and return together
harm

Terminography Notes

Registered terms in this chunk address the reviewer’s requested consistency fixes for “道” and “聖人,” plus several high-impact items that can vary by syntactic analysis or rhetorical parallelism: 神 (verb vs noun), 交歸 (set phrase for the mutual convergence-return motif), and the refrain verb/semantic nucleus 傷 (“harm”) which is repeated for cadence and conceptual closure. Final-clause smoothness should follow the project’s established wording choice: “and so their powers converge and return together.”